((I get a bunch of bills with dates ahead; even my insurance is like that. ))
If you notice on the bottom it says…mail immediately, and then it
says suspended efffective 4/25/01 (future date.)allow 2 weeks
processing.
well, has anyone here ever got a notice like that from the highway
safety and motor vehicles (from Florida)that can verify if this is a
date due or the date that it is written? lets investigate it and
see…..
sincerely,
pamela
[Edited by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 at 02:55 PM]
Posted by Randy Empey on 03-25-2001 03:02 PM
Javier:
If there is nothing else you take away from this thread, I hope the
one thing you do ‘get’ is that uncertainty runs rampant and certainty
may not exist.
quote:I understand your points. But does anyone understand mine?Are you really 100% sure you understand all of Rick’s points? Are
you really certain that it is a reasonable expectation to want someone
to completely understand yours? Are you certain you understand what I
am getting at here?
If you answer yes, I suggest to you that you are either jumping to conclusions or have a tremendous gift.
While thier references to your age may feel like a ‘under the belt’
hit, it does have some merit … and, being about 21 myself, I freely
admit that I think I understand more things than I really do … and am
probably an obnoxious little gnat compared to my elders …
But I can still ‘have a whack at it’ and hopefully grow in the process.
I hope you do the same …
There are no dragons or windmills here to slay … no fair maidens to
rescue … and John Titor Cult … but there might be some ideas and
modes of thought worth the reading.
But thanks for presenting your side of some of the moral issues
here — it did create some beneficial exchange, at least in my little
world.
I might be objecting to your words because of some unconcious bias
or assumptions rather than the irrationallities, offensiveness, et. al
I think I percieve — sorry for those parts of wavefunctions invovled
where this is the case.
Rick (and others that know, of course):
In the titor 2036 thread, there is material presented that is drawn
from another forum/website … I’d like more information on
extra-bbs.artbell.com examples of Titors words — where they are and
why we are sure enough that it was this same dude that has created this
phenomenon to warrant thier consideration… things of that nature …
Now that I think, perhaps this question should best be asked in
that other thread, were it not for the fact that extra-bbs.artbell.com
examples were refrenced here also …
All:
Are there any more threads spawned by this one out there now or in the making, besides Ricks promising one?
– Randy E.
P.S. — I will NOT apologize for the liberal use of words outside of thier standard usage: ie ‘wavefunctions’, etc …
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 03:34 PM
Pamela,
((If you notice on the bottom it says…mail immediately, and then
it says suspended efffective 4/25/01 (future date.)allow 2 weeks
processing.))
That doesn’t mean when it’s expected, it means when it’s suspended if not received by then. Which could be the date 3-26-01.
Posted by Alexander A.Shpilman on 03-25-2001 03:42 PM
Darby
“…At 2 g accelleration you will be traveling just a tad faster
than a Chevy pick-up in short order (about one year to reach light
speed.”
Probably, 2g is not usually acceleration of movement. Probably, its movement at strong deformation of space – time.
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 03:46 PM
Randy,
You’re always making uncertainly examples, when people tell you
that they’re sure of something. For example, my favorite “Can you prove
anything” and now “Are you really 100% sure…”
Yes Randy I am sure. If I said I understand Rick’s points, then I do. I
don’t know why dig deeper then that. I know what I know, because I am a
sincere person and because I have experience in what I speak of.
Therefore, I am sure. That answer your questions?
Truly,
Javier C.
Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 04:05 PM
Javier,
your wasting your time talking about it.
and guessing what it could or couldnt be.
you can find out about this.
get some sources and investigate it yourself.
I am.
-pamela
Posted by Alexander A.Shpilman on 03-25-2001 04:18 PM
Pamela Moore
((Albert, it is interesting that you mentioned “StarGate.” That was
one of my favorite movies. I thought of that right away when they spoke
of sending a bomb back to John’s lab.))
I think, probably spontaneous returning TTer back in due time, without the machine of time.
What will be, if all atoms of a bomb (after explosion)
spontaneously will return back to own time and in a point which its
have abandoned in an own flow of time?
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 04:25 PM
Pamela,
Since when has speculation been a waste of time for you? Nevermind…
That’s good that your investigating it though, because it would confirm
if your friend is a fraud or the real thing. I commend you on your
efforts. If you find out anything, do let us know
.Truly,
Javier C.
Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 04:43 PM
I expect you to be investigating it as well!
You may not trust my results or word.
You have not really shown any support so far for me and my efforts.
So you have to investigate as well.
Find out the truth for yourself….
sincerely,
pamela
[Edited by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 at 04:47 PM]
Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 05:11 PM
Here is the response from John from email:
“It’s a perfectly normal notice from the state of Florida informing me
that the insurance will run out or has run out. Since the truck won’t
be here much longer, there is no need to have it insured. I sent it as
a tounge-in-cheek example of what people need to see or want to see in
order to believe something. They don’t believe a time machine exists
but they will believe the insurance on the vehicle has run out.”
-pamela
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 05:35 PM
Forgive me Pamela if I have not shown you support or given you
credit where it’s due. I know you to be a smart and resourceful young
lady
.And I will investigate from now on. So what number in Florida should I
call to verify? Can I get a claim number or something to go on? Or will
that expose John’s current residence? Maybe I can click on one of those
ads Art Bell has for a Private Investigator
?Well to tell you the truth, I’m kind of short on cash at the moment,
and since your already doing the investigating, why don’t we just wait
and see what you turn up
? Plus I too am leaving in 2 weeks, so I’m already going to be working on a tight time frame. I hope you understand…Truly,
Javier C.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-25-2001 07:26 PM
Randy said: Rick (and others that know, of course):
In the titor 2036 thread, there is material presented that is
drawn from another forum/website … I’d like more information on
extra-bbs.artbell.com examples of Titors words — where they are
and why we are sure enough that it was this same dude that has
created this phenomenon to warrant thier consideration… things of that nature …
Now that I think, perhaps this question should best be asked in
that other thread, were it not for the fact that extra-bbs.artbell.com
examples were refrenced here also …
All:
Are there any more threads spawned by this one out there now or in
the making, besides Ricks promising one?
Randy, I posted the link to that stuff somewhere down the list.. after
the first few “predictions”. I’m not sure where precisely, but it is
there. It was a news article by someone named Gary… Gary something,
dont remember right now. Anyway, it was posted long before this thread
ever was started and several people had referred to it privously so I
included it in the “predictions list”.
Just for a short explanation of that list, understand I am reading
his material, verbatium, and taking statements DIRECTLY from it, not
out of context or anything else. Just taking statements and examining
the verbage for something that indicates he is “looking at the past”.
For him, as a time traveler, it would be “past history”. For us, it
becomes future, and that is why I am calling it predications.
While John would not knowingly make anyone happy with a direct
prediction, I pointed out somewhere early on, that he had already done
so (not in those words). He did tell someone else “I’ve not made any
predictions”. That certainly was not true from my point of view.
I hope everyone can understand this. They are predications, by the
very fact that he stated them as “past tense as he knew it”.
Anyway.. that is the only other information I’ve read. There was one
other web site, with a thread by TTO_0? or something like that, who we
now know was John as well. I do not have that material at my disposal.
I think the site is down as well.
Other than this thread, and the one I started, those are the only
ones. And all of the data I had, is available to you if you simply
capture it like I did, and go to that one site.
Hope this answers your question.
Rick
Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 09:00 PM
(It was a news article by someone named Gary… Gary something,)
His name is Gary Voss. A very intelligent engineer.
I met him on “thetimetravelinstitute.com” site as well. he broke
off and formed a group called TAP-TEN after a strange encounter ,which
merged with Doc’s Magisystem. currently looking into time theory and
gravitational theories. I beleive his current theories are based on
vortex theories.
and he is working closely with a very intelligent man named Edwin
Schasteen who is in the marines. Tap-Ten has a small group of members
.They all contribute their ideas to each other to build projects.
he may even be reading this site as well…..
from Gary’s web site:
((- T.A.P. “Temporal Accelerator Project” T.E.N. “Temporal Explorers Network”
T.A.P.-T.E.N. is a Non-Profit Organization that involves a majority
of their research in the exploration of Time~Travel, Gravity
Displacement, Unified Field Inertia & Electrostatic Propulsion, To
the exploration of examining possible methods of the absorption &
extraction techniques, to harness unlimited free energy sources, by
utilizing a sophisticated combination of merging yesterdays technology,
with today’s modern high tech computer aided technological forces all
under one roof.
Our members consists of a broad range of ordinary people from all walks
of life, some of them are still in college, while others are college
professors, scientists, physicists, computer technicians, or those who
like to dabble in the electronics arena in their professions, to their
garages & basements at home.)))
If he is….Hi Gary!
hahaahaTTO is also Timetraveler_0,that is the name he went by on the
timetravelinstitute. web site and I knew him as John back then but he
didnt use that name on that forum. So at the time I kept that to
myself. most all of his postings are found under “timetravel paradoxes”
and “topics limited to 11 pages?” on that forum.John and TTO and
Timetravler_0 is all the same person I believe he said that on this
site at one time. I just dont remember which page.
Rick, the site you are talking about is actually a cut and paste
That Gary put on that site from the timetravelinstitute site. I think
most ,if not all, of Those questions originally came from emails
between me and John. I was the one asking the questions and John was
answering.and I posted them on the forum. Gary simply picked certain
questions and answers off of the forum and put them together and put it
on that other site. because he thought it was interesting.which it was.
sincerely,
Pamela
[Edited by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 at 09:17 PM]
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 09:16 PM
Hey Gary if you are reading this, just know I’m glad to see your T.A.P.-T.E.N. is still going strong
.Take care man,
J.C.
P.S. Was it this year in Vegas, or next year
?Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 09:19 PM
Javier,
The convention is THIS year in Vegas ,around October last time I heard.
-pamela
[Edited by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 at 09:28 PM]
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-25-2001 09:52 PM
Can I still come? I promise I’ll be good
.Maybe just a little gambling and a few shows, that’s it, I swear
.Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 10:33 PM
Javier,
Do you promise not to break any of the inventions?
even if one happens to be a time machine?
hmmmmm….we better install a metal detector at the door if you are coming.
….and armed guards around each individual invention.
….and closed circuit cameras.
…and assign each inventor a personal body guard.
…better rope off all the inventions and put them behind bullet proof glass.
…take a head count before and after the convention.
…hmmm are you sure you want to come? this could get quite expensive for Gary.
heheeh-pamela
[Edited by Pamela Moore on 03-25-2001 at 10:44 PM]
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-25-2001 11:53 PM
Like Rick said, you do analysing with facts and knowledge. It does
not make any difference what personal opinion you hold, that would get
everyone nowhere. Maybe its a well thought scenario of what could
happen, and one can not tell.
But, we do have certain attitudes in this country that do not help
with anything with some people, if that is the case then perhaps some
can watch others in action. I certainly welcome Rick in doing what he
is doing. Everything can be faked up to a point, but intelligent
discussion will help keep everything focused for all. Contrary to
public opinion, it does not make anyone ‘act’ a certain way to cause
the ‘event’. Fore-knowledge becomes a great advantage if done properly.
And after all, that may just be what this thread is about, obtaining
some fore-knowledge to help everyone or anyone make a better decision.
That may take some patience. I also have notified someone else
that may ‘look’ into it somewhat, but I doubt that he would have the
‘resources’ of Rick, so I thank Rick for doing as much as he is doing
on this. Plus some events are ‘happening’ now, mad-cow stuff to start,
and I know that it was posted earlier than the news came out. If the
Government has been keeping ‘track’ of this as stated at the Website,
than more ‘effort’ may have to be involved.
If the Government, which is slow to some degree, can not move
faster, then certain things can happen, such as an epidemic, the likes
of which may become ‘unstoppable’.
If that happens, more people will be called in to be sure, and
everyone will get a ‘rude awakening’ call to this type of epidemic. But
have I made a prediction knowing how humans ‘operate’ in this country.
No. Citizens will respond that need too, and everyone else listens to
‘it’ on the news. Some people say ‘if it does not affect me, who
cares’.
Well, with this kind of ‘stuff’ it ends up affecting everyone.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-26-2001 12:05 AM
I might say that he already mentioned ‘mad-cow disease’, and both as a ‘scare’ tactic and as a ‘concerned’ citizen.
You can bet that other people are keeping the ‘evil’ eye or the ‘good’ eye or both on this also.
Saying what if can help. If John is also a TT, so what.
What he brought up were ‘plausible’ events.
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 12:13 AM
Pamela,
I can see why there would be much concern
.But I know better then to break other people’s property. Plus it’s not
like anyone will be having a working Time Travel Device. And if there
where, I would be conflicted in how to react. For you see, for the past
3 years now I have known Time Travel to be an unethical means of
traveling. Where I must alone at times speak out about it, and try and
get my own feelings into harmony at the same time.
Because for the past 18 years of my life, I have always wanted to Time
Travel to the past and to the future, and change things to my liking.
Since I would always feel that I could Time Travel, intense sensations
and visions. Made me feel that someday I will.
I was young; I didn’t know what I was saying about wanting to become a
Time Traveler. Later in life, I found out that I was only being a pawn
for something later in my life. And that those behind it all, were Time
Travelers. I am reformed in my thinking, and know for a fact that Time
Travel is exploitation and carries many hidden agendas when carried
out.
I don’t expect anyone to believe me; I don’t like talking about
this. But perhaps it could give a little insight into just who I am.
And why am I so serious in the subject of Time Travel?
Anyway’s Pamela, I guess I got a little carried away there. To truly answer your question, yes I will behave
.I’m to young to get arrested for breaking people’s things. I have a lot
to do with my life, and a lot of evil to bring to justice.
Sincerely yours,
Javier C.S.
[Edited by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 at 12:15 AM]
Posted by Randy Empey on 03-26-2001 08:13 AM
Javier:
Does that answer my question? Why need you ask, if you are so certain?
Was it meant to be an answer? That it was meant to be an answer is
my only requirement for it to be considered an answer, although it
could very well prompt further questions.
Am I really ALWAYS making uncertainty examples when people tell me
that they are sure of something? I acknowledge such a tendency — but
ALWAYS? Hmmm……
If you say it then it must be so? “So sayeth Pharoah ….” So, do your words determine the nature of your reality?
Why dig deeper? To uncover hidden treasure that would perhaps
change your mind, or the strong foundation that would perhaps indicate
the validity of the surface indications.
Are sincerity and experience the only reasons you are sure you know what you know? Why are they enough?
When I get this line of thought formed a little clearer in my mind,
perhaps it will prompt an ‘entirely different’ thread — I hope you
bump in to such a thread in the future.
But here, in this forum — has your experience here changed your
opinions about TT and TTers in general (or at least folk who claim such
mantles …), Javier?
Rick:
It does answer my questions … and prompts a few more … you might
run into them on that other thread if I can remember to get over there.
But the short version is: Are they indications of what will be or may
be? And can they really be termed predictions if they were not intended
to be such?
All:
Now that John has left the thread (Or has he?
), does this thread have a fruitful future ahead of it, in terms of
additional postings? Any PREDICTIONS? (Hey Rick, maybe John left a hint
about this?)
Or are we just going to have to decide whether we want it to and work towards that end?
Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-26-2001 09:48 AM
Well – he’s gone.
Now, while he was here did anyone do any research on Tipler’s
sinusoid to see what it really is? Just the definition of a sinusoid
would give you a clue that there’s no reason to travel back to 1975 or
that he has to wait for some proper time for a window to open to
return. The Tipler sinusoid has layers – forward zone, reverse zone,
forbidden zone, neutral zone. They may even glow. Our brave adventurer
enters the zones from an almost parallel vector, travels around the
cylinder and experiences a closed timelike curve. Boomer’s idea of
lining up two micro-singularities is a start, but its not enough. How
about lining up a few hundred neutron stars at a La Grange point far
out in inter-galactic space where the gravitational fields of other
galaxies don’t effect the system. Now you have a (possible) Tipler
cylinder. (You also need to align their poles so they are all spinnng
in the same direction and at the same RPS.) Making a tiny “Tiplette”
cylinder, such as Boomer’s device, might allow hydrogen molecules to
experience closed timelike curves, but not a Chevy pick-up.
SO – Boomer, so long for now. We’ll see you again…
[Edited by Emmett "Darby" Darbyshire on 03-26-2001 at 09:54 AM]
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-26-2001 01:28 PM
Thanks, Emmett, and Rick, for debating with John. I think it takes
quite a leap to go from theory of a supposed design to a practical
working design, even if for awhile it sounds good.
Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-26-2001 02:12 PM
Albert,
Thanks for the post.
To All
I think that in all fairness to Boomer that I should point out that
in the most general sense what he has proposed here isn’t so far off
base that its not worth the debate. For instance, we all know by now
that Dr. Frank Tipler is a real person and a Professor of Mathematics
& Physics at Tulane University. He did postulate a theory of a time
machine in the mid-70′s that involves his Tipler cylinder.
It would have served Boomer well to have simply opened the thread
as a “what-if”. Tipler is currently involved with the “Proposed
Propulsion Workshop” along with thirty or so really brilliant people.
You should check out their work. They really are looking into
“warp-drive” engines and other methods of “violating” the SR “light
speed barier”. What they are looking into, specifically, is how to
build a working spaceship propulsion unit that can travel to the stars!
In their research criteria they have even allowed for theories that
have not passed “Peer Review”. They are cutting edge risk takers – and
funded by NASA in part. You can see notes from their first meeting at:
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/TM-97-206241.htm
Its well worth the time to check it out and follow the
investigative leads that are there to get an idea of where we are
headed as we really do move toward 2036.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 02:27 PM
Javier: Because for the past 18 years of my life, I have always
wanted to Time Travel to the past and to the future, and change things
to my liking. Since I would always feel that I could Time Travel,
intense sensations and visions. Made me feel that someday I will.
Rick: Javier – shame on you. haha. I can see very clearly where that is
going. Let me give you an analogy. I carry a weapon most everywhere I
go. No one sees it. I carry it for various reasons, but in the past
I’ve been attacked and my life has been threatened. I do not take
kindly to folks doing that, and intend to keep myself mentally as well
as physically prepared to defend myself if I must. I won’t hesitate to
do so if attacked. Now… why I am telling you this.
There are people out there, who feel because *I* carry a gun, I am
a danger to everyone around me. At this point in my life, the only
people I’ve ever shot at were those who shot first at me. And I’ve only
ever drawn my weapon ONCE when a prowler was around the backyard. He
turned out to be a Cop who’d not identified himself. But, the point of
this.. the people who think that I am a danger because I carry a gun do
so out of fear.
They think that because if THEY HAD A GUN, THEY WOULD GET MAD AND
PULL IT OUT in an altercation in a car (road rage). They equate me, to
them. But Javier, I am not them. They are not me. Perhaps they WOULD
pull out a gun if they had one and shoot someone. Anyone who feels this
shouldn’t carry one.
If you haven’t considered the possibilities of carrying a gun, and the
ramifications of having to use one in self-defense, you shouldn’t carry
one.
By the same token, if you believe that you would take a time
machine and abuse the power it might give you – that is, changing
things to the way YOU like them, then you should not now, or ever
travel back in time, even if it is possible.
That I believe is what John was saying about “psychologically
sound”. If I am to be on a rescue mission with the military, and it
would entail killing others to save some… I TOO would get my chance
to go through psychological evaluation. If I could not pull the trigger
on the bad guys, I would not be going on that trip. By the same token,
those who do not understand human life, and what living – and dying, is
about, should not put themselves in the position of defending
themselves (sometimes, they simply have no choice but to do so though).
Finally, if you had your hands on a time machine, you would
definately abuse it. Therefore, you are doing what we call in the
psychological arena – Transference. Just like the antigunners do with
me.
You’re transfering the ‘evilness’ of a time machine to someone
other than yourself, because deep down, you KNOW YOURSELF YOU WOULD
abuse it!
So – now we have discovered something in this forum after all…
The psychological make up of a time cop! hahaha(Sorry Javier, I COULDN’T resist… well, that isn’t true, I didn’t try to resist
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 02:53 PM
Randy:It does answer my questions … and prompts a few more … you
might run into them on that other thread if I can remember to get over
there. But the short version is: Are they indications of what will be
or may be? And can they really be termed predictions if they were not
intended to be such?
If you mean, specifically, the things in the other thread… Consider
for a moment you’re a time traveler. You go back to, say 1800. People
talk to you in the local tavern and you tell them stories of the
future, but promise yourself not to give away anything specific.
In your quest to do so, you attempt to keep dates vague, and never
mention names like Alexandar Graham Bell, Tesla, Ford, President
Hoover… nothing like that. Instead you’re vague and you mention there
are two world wars by the time 2000 comes around. You even tell them
the years they started, but nothing specific about the dates, or who
started them or how. You might mention an “evil man in Germany”. You
might mention things like the Gulf War. You might talk about going to
the moon, but not Mars. You might talk about the industrial revolution
- which really begins roughly around 1900. One hundred years from the
date of your visit. You mention cars, even specific kinds of cars with
internal combustion engines and that they use refined oil out of the
ground to power them. You might mention atomic weapons.
In all your talk, NONE of these things are specific enough to tell
someone about the future except in vague terms, right? Let’s see what I
just wrote (all off the top of my head).
1) World War 1
2) World War 2
3) Gulf War
4) Man goes to moon
5) Man does NOT go to Mars
6) The industrial revolution starts around 1900
7) You said you own a <insert car type here>
8) Something better than steam… internal combustion.
9) Oil comes from the ground. Wow, they make money using it!
10) Oil is refined into petrol.. gasoline.
11) Six guns aren’t gonna be the gun of the future, atomic weapons
with the power of exploding volcanoes (something even the normal crowd
in 1800 probably wouldn’t know much about).
In other words, in a simply, unassuming conversation such as what
John had with us – and again assuming he is really a time traveler -
tells us a LOT of information.
This my friend is what we call intelligence gathering.
If I take 60 news papers from around the world and I read
everything in them, I will gather more intelligence in the time I read
those papers then you will from watching television for a couple of
days.
Our own intel gathering forces in the US do precisely what I’ve
just described. *I* gather intelligence in the same manner, without
contacting “official intel sources”. The point is, each and everyone of
us has a better chance of knowing as much as the CIA knows, if we put
our minds to it.
So, what I have done with the “intelligence” I’ve gathered is to
simply take it apart, precisely as he stated it. Now, we have two
possibilities.
He is a time traveler.
He is not a time traveler.
Applying logic (which of course is difficult without a known truth) you
can get the possibilities of the future based on the presumption he is
from the future. Plus or Minus a 2.5% deviation (his numbers, not
mine).
If you assume he is NOT a time traveler, then it is moot. None of
this will come true – at least not in the order he said or the dates,
or times. In truth, there is roughly a 25% chance of ANYTHING coming
true if you predict it. That is statistically probale. If you make a
prediction, you can count on the fact it will probably come true,
eventually, but you have only a 25% chance of making a guess – a stab
in the dark. Experiments in the paranormal hold this to be true. In
about 1973 and 74 I participated in ESP and telepathy experiments. I
was hitting 60-80 percent accuracy. I have reason to believe that there
is some kind of Extrasensory perception that exists. I wouldn’t count
on it – but I certainly DO listen to that little voice inside my head
that says “Do not turn here, turn at the next block”. If I don’t
something almost always happens that I didn’t want to have happen. Will
I go out and say that there IS DEFINATELY ESP? No… because I only
know for sure what I know, and can’t prove it. I don’t expect others to
believe me.
Does John Titor exist? I can’t even be sure he does. I’m pretty
positive John exists, and John Titor might or might not be his real
name. It might simply be another nom de plume – pen name. In either
case, he exists as SOMEONE and has been posting messages. All the
messages, from the language, dialect and wording (including consistent
misspellings) come from the same guy – at leats in my opinion.
If I had to guess, I would say John is very similar to what – I
think Darby said – and that his background is similar in some respects
as mine. Some military service of some sort, and he has a degree of
patience that would escape me quickly. So – I have to make SOME
assumptions to place this information/intelligence in the light in
which it belongs.
Suspect. As long as the information is suspect, we can never come
up with a true answer to the question of whether John is a real TT or
not. WE CAN come up with some other answers though. Watch and check the
data over time. If his “predictions” start coming true, consistently…
he is a time traveler, or a prophet.
I hope I got what you were asking in this message.
Rick
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 at 03:06 PM]
Posted by Alexander A.Shpilman on 03-26-2001 03:11 PM
Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire
((The Tipler sinusoid has layers – forward zone, reverse zone,
forbidden zone, neutral zone. They may even glow. Our brave adventurer
enters the zones from an almost parallel vector, travels around the
cylinder and experiences a closed timelike curve. Boomer’s idea of
lining up two micro-singularities is a start, but its not enough.))
I think, it is necessary to have two of the Tipler cylinder rotating in opposite directions.
At it, line of movement will similarly Fig.4 in http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/2n00/MstateA.htm and http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/2n00/PowerA.htm
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 03:15 PM
You state above:
“John Titor might or might not be his real name”
On 2-19-01 at 7:25pm John Titor posted a long Q\A and in the section addressed to Javier, this is the exchange:
((Is John Titor your real name?))
Yes, John Titor is a real name.
Johns response using ” ‘a’ real name” is curious for it is an unusual
way to answer the question. I suspect that John Titor is indeed a real
name in the sense that he is using the name, but not his birth name.
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 03:18 PM
John had posted a Q\A on 2-26-01 at 3:39pm. here is the excerpt:
Q: ((I’m guessing the date of your return to the future is April 19th. Is this correct?))
Johns’ response: That is a day to remember but I was thinking more along the lines of March 21.
Is this a subtle prediction? He plainly states that April 19th is a day
to remember. That day is coming soon, so I guess we shall all see.
[Edited by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 at 03:21 PM]
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 03:49 PM
John had posted a Q\A on 2-26-01 at 3:39pm. here is the excerpt:
Q: ((I’m guessing the date of your return to the future is April 19th. Is this correct?))
Johns’ response: That is a day to remember but I was thinking more along the lines of March 21.
Is this a subtle prediction? He plainly states that April 19th is
a day to remember. That day is coming soon, so I guess we shall all
see.
Indeed – that is a date to remember. It is Hitler’s birtday, it was
the day of the attack at Columbine. Lemme see… I think that was also
the day they burned Waco. I am sure it was around the 19th of April.
Anyway, the 20th was the Oklahoma City bombing. I don’t remember the
date at Ruby Ridge. Perhaps some one else can come up with that?
In any case, the 19th is a day that federal agencies are on alert.
All of them. The military goes on a Threatcon (Threat Condition) Alpha
and some time Bravo. Both are increased threat conditions, merely
meaning there is the possibility of an increased threat.
The BATF, and the IRS also go on increased alerts on that date, or
just prior. They are afraid of the public. Seems like they have a good
reason. But, that is neither here nor there. Those agencies, the FBI,
CIA and anyone else within the confines of the United States considers
that day dangerous for anyone with any connections to the government.
So – April 19th is a ‘date to remember’ for several reasons. I
can’t see that is a prediction, and it’s why I didn’t include it.
Perhaps he means something will happen on this 19th April 2001? I
dunno. You might wanna add that to the list, but I considered it a
normal 19th of April as I described above.
In the case of John’s name, I think I was trying to say that no
matter what his “birth name” is/was/will be, it is unimportant to the
matter of whether he is a time traveler. Names simply aren’t that
important unless they have to be historically accurate. In our case,
John Titor is the know we know him by, so it is likely a real name. By
the way, I have not attempted to track down John Titor… and probably
will not. I’m not interested in his location myself, nor would I have
reason to find out – even if I DID find out, I wouldn’t tell anyone
anyway.
Rick
PS – the shooting of Vicki Weaver – Randy Weaver’s wife, took place
on 22 August 1992. So it was not in April. Her son was shot, I believe
the day before or that same evening.
PPS – I forgot something else. I believe that 19 April is loosely
referred to as “Patriot Day” in some of the circles in which I run. I
cite as example April 19, 1775.
Government troops suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of citizen militia today. Hundreds of casualties are reported.
Lt. Colonel Francis Smith, leading 900 troops made up of grenadiers and
light infantry marched onto the Green in Lexington shortly after dawn.
They had been dispatched from the King’s Army in Boston with the intent
of capturing anti government fugitives and militia armaments in
Lexington and Concord. They were not alone in the morning mist. A
detachment of Patriot militia stood at the other end of the Green. http://www.frii.com/~gosplow/april19.html
P.P.P.S (Sorry, I keep adding things I’m finding here)… http://www.apbonline.com/cjsystem/findingjustice/2000/04/18/kushner0418_01.html
- This URL shows some folks want to consider the 19th of April
“Terrorist Day”. I think every day should be “terrorist day” – meaning
we should always keep our eyes and ears tuned for such activities near
us – so we won’t be there when they happen.
Also at that site:
April 19th Through History
April 19, 1775:
The date of the first skirmish of the American
Revolution has a potent meaning to groups
that now perceive themselves to be at war
with the federal government. Massachusetts
militiamen confronted a British brigade
marching to capture a cache of arms in
nearby Concord.
April 19, 1943:
This day is significant to right wing
extremists, Kushner says, because German
troops entered the Warsaw Ghetto to round
up the remaining Jews there.
April 19, 1993:
In what right-wing extremists consider a day
of infamy, the 50-day siege ended at the
Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.
Shooting started, fire broke out and 81
people died.
April 19, 1995:
One hundred sixty-eight people died in the
bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City. Timothy McVeigh
and Terry Nichols were convicted of the
bombing.
April 20, 1889
Adolph Hitler was born on this day, another
date important to right-wing extremists.
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 at 04:11 PM]
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 04:05 PM
Based on what I perceive to be subtle ways in which John gave
information, or carefully worded statements so as not to lie, I still
have this gut instinct that tells me that John was saying more than
remember the past. Indeed, that may likely be the case, but my gut
tells me that IF John is a TT, that date this year will have
significance. Funny part is that based on what you state above, Rick,
no one will be surprised if the 19th is a memorable day. Sadly I guess
this leaves us at the maybe maybe not state. Too bad.
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 04:13 PM
Rick,
((So – now we have discovered something in this forum after all…
The psychological make up of a time cop! Hahaha))Wait a minute Rick, before you draw your conclusion, allow me to rebuttal and clarify things.
First off, you don’t know me; you’re not a psychologist, or a profiler.
Second of all, just because I said I wanted to change the past once,
does not mean I would abuse it. I’m just not that kind of person.
But honestly who here has something in their past they would like to
erase? And if given the chance to, would they then be called abusers?
Of course not.
You’ve drawn into a completely different discussion here if you think of them 1 and the same.
I’m even surprised at you Rick; you of all people would attack my
sincerity. I have no alterative motives, nor intent on having anyone
believe me. Though you took it upon your self to psychoanalyze who I
really am, with the intent on relying the message to everyone here that
my credibility is not to be taken seriously. I take that with great
offence. Did you not read me saying before “I don’t care what anyone
says about me, just don’t attack my character cause that’s personal.”
Obviously you didn’t. When you speak about your life, do I
psychoanalyze you?
Sorry about that, I couldn’t resist.
Truly,
Javier C.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 04:18 PM
Phil, you’re right. I added some more to that post even after you
read it. Check it again. But, assuming that “Waco-like” incidents occur
this 19th of April, they will be chalked up to “Right Wing Extremists”.
I guess I am one of those guys. I believe in the Consitution, and I
understand the historical significance of such dates. On the other
hand, I’m not planning on leading a revolution (not unless and until
they start going door to door for our guns. haha then it is too late to
NOT lead a revolution! LOL)
John didn’t give us anything other than what I might predict
though. I know for instance that all bases go on alert. CHances of a
military base being a target though, are slim to none. No so-called
Right Wing Extremist is gonna hit a military base. In fact, there are
no such things as violent right wing extremists. There are lunatics
like Timothy McVey out there – who also happen to be right wingers, but
those of us who believe the government is too big aren’t going around
killing people. We fight it other ways, and we do so legally. So – I
could make similar predictions. In fact, I make them all the time. I’m
right about 25-40% of the time. Typical for anyone making predictions.
<shrugs> I’m glad I’m wrong more than I’m right. haha.
Rick
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 04:22 PM
Javier… please re-read what I said. It was tongue-in-cheek. It was
a joke. It was for fun. Nothing more my friend. No insults were meant,
and I certainly didn’t mean you think I was doing so
As far as being a “profiler” – let’s just say, you don’t know me
either, so you can’t make that statement any more than you can the part
about being a psychologist.
In fact, you can’t say anything about me that you know is a fact,
unless I’ve told you so, and then, who knows? I might have lied about
the whole thing. Remember, this IS the internet and we really do NOT
know one another, do we?
Rick
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 04:27 PM
ps, pps, ppps…..thought of doing another post instead?
The date has significance. That established, did you note the part
in Johns statement about leave about the 21st? Hit it pretty close he
did. Now that was no prediction. Did you perchance see my note above my
April 19 reference re: John Titor being his name or not? [pg54, a being
significant] Also, it was once speculated that Titor might be
TI_me_T_ravell_OR(ER), a pen name as you suggest. Perhaps John is his
real name, but I sincerely doubt Titor is his last name.
[Edited by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 at 04:29 PM]
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 04:37 PM
Rick,
So if you are a profiler, then everyone who’s trusted you thus far has
been a victim of your lies. Something that separates you and me, joke
or not. I make clear my intentions and beliefs, do you?
If I were to joke about who you really are Rick, I wouldn’t make it
sound so convincing. I would allow you and others pick up on the fact
that I was merely making a joke. Not make accusation of what I have
been saying was merely because of a fear, and that I am a hypocrite.
I wouldn’t change the past, nor break someone’s machine. That’s what my
original message should have said, if you didn’t pick up on it or on
past posts.
I hope this clears things up now.
Sincerely,
Javier C.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-26-2001 05:28 PM
I just received word that we have posted an alledged time traveler video on anomalies.net. The exact URL is located here: http://anomalies.net/time_traveler/ Click on the “Video” part beneath that page. If you can’t get to it, try this one.
http://stream.anomalies.net:8080/ramgen/ufo/jump1.rm
I think it is a fake. It was crappy video, and I probably could do
better with my computer here at home… but, I’m not a video expert.
Javier: Lighten up. I was kidding around with you. No, I’m not a
profiler. Geez buddy, you are taking this WAY too seriously. Tell ya
what, you’re 21 in a few days, right? How about I buy ya a beer?
Goodness gracious!
Rick
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 05:40 PM
Well I’ll tell you what Rick. Since you acknowledged the fact that
what you said to me was a joke and intended as one, I’m willing to let
it go. But in the future, I suggest you stick to making jokes with
those that you already know.
Sincerely,
Javier C.
P.S. I don’t drink, but thanks anyway’s
.Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-26-2001 06:09 PM
The video that is there is not from John. just to clarify that. Its someone elses video they put up there.
sincerely,
Pamela
Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-26-2001 06:17 PM
Rick & Phil,
Boomer has already told me that his name isn’t really John Titor.
If you remember, when I suggested that his name was an anagram for “I
am Trot” and that I found him (as Time_Travel_O)contra-posting with a
member named Trott on another site, he said that “Titor” is Ti-me
T-ravel Or (Ti-T-OR).
[Edited by Emmett "Darby" Darbyshire on 03-26-2001 at 06:24 PM]
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-26-2001 06:26 PM
Pamela,
Do you think John’s video will be alot more convincing then that light
show? If it is, John should get the Oscar for best special effects in a
Drama Series
hehe.-J.C.
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-26-2001 07:09 PM
it does indeed look and smell of the sea. Maybe a cat food can. Hmm I decided.
RICK:
Can the video be set up to download? I have a neighbor who would get a
hoot ‘n’ hollar out of it, not to mention a nephew or two.
DARBY:
I did not recall your exchange with john regarding his name earlier,
but since you mention it, I vaguely do. Thanks for the clarification. I
just noticed the odd way John used ‘a’ real name. No harm though, If I
were potentially a TT, I would not use my real name, but thats me.
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