Javier,
“P.S. Sure, where should we all take our vacation? Me, you, and
John “I wanna be a Time Traveler someday” Titor, wanna go off to?”
How about the stoneage? Wanna take a ride???
hehheheheh-pamela
Posted by Mel Reckling on 03-20-2001 06:35 AM
Oh! The misdirected rage of a 21 year old. Javier, put your efforts
into something worthwhile and you’ll go far in life. Don’t let this
time of your life be wasted smashing things.
Posted by James R.Quayle III on 03-20-2001 06:40 AM
I do not need to believe in John titor’s claims too say,Javier your
a good intelligent skeptic,But your also the type that will get left in
the dust when something big does happen,You remind me of the neighbors
who run inside here in Newport Beach when Ufo’s fly over the beach,they
run inside saying,NO ,NO I see it but it CAN”t be real!I have read all
the replies on this **** time travel post from the beginning,and at the
end ,I find you a bitter dude.In your universe view the world must be a
boring place.Sure,Time Travel is not true,Javier,now go play while me
and my friends go back in time and make sure your Mom and dad never
met,ha,ha.Skepticism is good but ,your little barbs flown over and over
on this post seems bitter,You probably have never experienced Any odd
phenomena?That is how it seems,so sad for you,open your eyes and The
Wierd will appear.Happy Trails John Titor,where ever you go,you made me
and others think,not necesarily believe ,but what a gift of
thought.Javier resign to your cubicle,horse blinded view ,how
non-unique you are Javier.
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-20-2001 06:48 AM
just grab the shades and hop in the Chevy to “take a ride”.
Pamela: Wouldn’t you all look a tad out of place in the stone age?
Seems that trip would definately blow ones cover, but who would care.
Just a bunch of grunting hairy but naked human-like ancestors. I can
see it, a Chevy pick up, probably black or dark blue in color appears
in stone age florida…isnt it wet? NO matter, its a chevy.
Theonly problem is there is room for 3 in that extra cab and a tight
squeeze at that.
Javier: You would be sitting behind John. That would be an interesting
development. If John is a TT, he is still human. How would you handle
that morally? Take away his toy? j/k
The stone age would be a drag I think. Unknown diseases, yuk. Might
as well be a cow and go to England. Ever thought of say….the 1920′s.
Florida would be there…and definately dry. Besides the ’20′s would be
interesting. Period cash? Who cares. Does not seem that money is all
that important in Time Travel.
Having Fun.
Phil
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 06:58 AM
Tom: Last week I was looking at the images that JT had uploaded onto MSN and noticed a simple typo in the operations
manual page showing a diagram of the Tipler sinusoid field produced by his device where in the diagram, item 10
(Negative Time Event Horizon) had been transposed as item 11 in the diagram, though the item value was printed
correctly in the legend. I didn’t think anything of it until I
looked at the same page as found on Ricks site and saw that
the typo was gone from the page. I’m not trying to play pixel
person or anything, but unexplained edits to the images
that have been posted do lead me to wonder what other changes are being made. (Then again, a time machine might
just turn out to be a copywriters best friend!)
Tom – For the record, those pictures were pulled from Doc’s site
about 3-4 weeks ago, about the time I got involved in this discussion.
I’ve had copies of them since then, and have made no modifications. Are
you telling me that you found a discrepancy between the ones I have and
some OTHER pictures? If so, please give me the URLS where you located
them.
Thanks
(Edited & added) – I just read Pamela’s comments on the photos,
and sure it is plausible that he had multiple copies of various
diagrams. She is also accurate in her statement about military
documents being full of errors. I deal with technical orders and other
such documents all the time, and they ALWAYS have misprints, typos,
misspellings and mislabeled diagrams. Regardless of how much money is
being spent on a government project, the documentation is only as good
as the cheapest tech-writer they can hire. Remember – LOWEST BIDDER!
Rick
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 at 07:14 AM]
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-20-2001 06:59 AM
Hi James.
I am not defending Javier, nor am I putting him down, but your last post needs a clarification…in fairness.
You wrote to Javier:
“You probably have never experienced Any odd phenomena?”
I cannot be specific, but he has claimed to experience odd
phenomena. Some sort of Temporal condition. Impressions I think.
Whatever the case, I did not figure him to be a dry non-experiencing
figure. At times he has seemed a “tad” biggoted to time travellers.
Perhaps he will expand that for clarification.
Not a slam James, I saw an error and am pointing it out. The pages
Javier stated his beliefs and experiences were fairly early in the
thread and included his web site link that does clearly state his
mission.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 07:09 AM
John – Pamela – whoever can get John to listen…
I have offered my serivces as an independant viewer/observer of the
departure. I can and will make arrangements to fly to Florida with
video taping equipment and some camera gear. However, I need a little
lead time to get the equipment to me. Olav, the S4 Data base web master
has offered basically unlimited space on the web site, as well as
digitizing the video – making it free for folks to see.
I do not believe that making a video “for profit” is going to convince
anyone that anything occurred. Worse, turning such a video over to
anyone other than say, Art Bell himself, or independent (and skeptical)
observers is just plain silly. Anyone with their hands in the “belief”
portion of the video might not do as good a job as I might, since I am
not really on the “believing” side.
Now… I’ve not had a reply from John at this point, but if his
departure is imminent, I still require time to make arrangements for
equipment, flight, car rental etc. This would be coming out of my
pocket.
That also means I won’t be helping anyone hoax anything.
Now… John… are you going to take me up on this offer or not? If I
don’t see it first hand – I doubt a video will make it any more real.
What do the rest of you say?
Rick
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 at 07:18 AM]
Posted by David R Ferguson on 03-20-2001 07:49 AM
I have stated on more than one occasion that I would find it very
interesting to have John’s departure recorded, and I have asked John in
this forum if he still planned on doing so. I do not believe I was ever
directly responded to.
From the basis of comments made in this thread, I view Rick as an
open-minded skeptic who would appear to have strong credibility. He has
made an offer more than once to document this event at his own expense
and I, for one, hope John takes him up on his offer.
What do you say, John? We are all awaiting your response.
Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-20-2001 07:59 AM
That John, just a few days ago stated he was going to have the video
done, but was not intending a 3rd party to be there. Indeed this raises
the eyebrow, but even if it is a hoax, it is still interesting and I am
curious what might happen in the video. I think there was talk of the
field surrounding the mechanism, that it might disrupt or corrupt the
video if taken too close in distance. I would love for Rick to be a
third party assignee for video. He has credibility.
I know that is not what you desire John, but contact Rick. He has
the means to handle this and is a skeptic. Besides, according to your
description, this world line differs from yours. No harm would come to
your family on your world line..that is IF Rick were corrupt, which I
sincerely do not think is the case. Perhaps worth considering?
Posted by Alexander A.Shpilman on 03-20-2001 09:46 AM
The history John Titor, resemblances to me a April Fools’ joke of the students.
1) The style of thinking is similar to style of thinking of the American of 1990. And plot of a film-hit:
When all people of the Earth catch illness a “cow rage”. Or such as -
what will be, if there will be overturning magnetic poles of the Earth?
2) The history of the people abounds “surprises”. But we to them
quickly get accustomed. In this history there are no surprises. There
is nothing is paradoxical new.
3) How to distinguish micro Kerr black holes from electron, proton or neutron? The difference will be in mass?
It microsingularites. How it to make macrosingularites? I think, it is necessary better to know thin structure of a matter.
4) It is necessary to distinguish a “global line” from “worldline”.
There is an analogy: many people go on the rope bridge. The bridge is
swing from a wind and movement of the people. The rope bridge is a
“global line” matters (body of the man). “Worldline” is a trajectory of
movement of the man in space on the rope bridge. Obviously, a “Global
line” from “worldline” are connected among themselves, but they differ.
If I would be TTer, I would study properties of a “global line”. I
would study, how the change of events in the past (events at my doubles
in the past), my opportunity influences to change events in the present
time.
Certainly, it is difficult. But it is possible to begin from study
of a situation of planets and stars, earthquakes and hurricanes, in
various temporary flows. Then to study the moments of occurrence of
scientific opening and moments of creation of masterpieces of art, and
their difference in various temporary flows.
In detail about time and OVERTAME look in http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/2n00/OVERTIMEa.htm
and http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/1n01/OVERTIMEa.htm
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 09:53 AM
I have a few more pictures apparently from John now, that we will
post on the anomalies site as soon as I can get in touch with my webby
guy out there in CA.
I have examined them (the pics of the machine itself) and have not
changed my opinion on the machine – it “looks” real enough from a
military/government perspective. Even the manuals appear to be what
they are perported to be.
One thing to note, which I can not remember if I mentioned before -
and I am sure no one else has at this point, is a yellow object in the
upper part of the picture of the machine in the vehicle. The yellow
device is a geiger counter. I’m familiar with THAT machine specifically
- not just gieger counters, but THAT model. I’ve used it. I carried two
of them in tactical weather gear in the 1970′s and 80′s. I also used
one of those devices extensively during my stay at the White House from
1989-1992 during training at a facility outside of DC, where we trained
for NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical) warfare. More specifically I used
them during training for “shelter management” where we each played
President and others.
Anyway, that is a real device. If you look carefully, you will see
an older “CD” or Civil Defense sticker on the side. The device is
rather old though – probably built in the mid to late 70s and was an
important piece of gear in my weather systems and shelters I took care
of in those days. It could have come from old stocks of military gear
(in 2013 or later) or it could have come from surplus store in 1999 or
2000. Not sure.
I did want to point out what it was though.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 09:59 AM
Yes, I think Rick ought to film this, but John has already said that this may not do any good.
From the book “Galaxies” by Tim Ferris, yes I know its getting old,
but then, why is anyone who deals with the structure of cosmology still
are leaning this way:
One of a number of sophisticated cosmological models that have been
constructed within the broad purview of the big-bing account of cosmic
history, this theory, proposed by J. Richard Gott III of Princeton
University, postulates the existence of not one universe but three. It
envisions that the big bang gave rise not only to our universe, where
matter predominates over antimatter and time runs forward, but a second
universe where antimatter predominates and time moves backward, as well
as a tachyon universe where everthing moves faster than the velocity of
light. Our universe and the antimatter universe are segregated in terms
of time. Both are segregated from the tachyon universe in terms of
space, since the tachyons in the first instant of creation fled beyond
the light cones of all observers in both the matter and antimatter
universes.
The Gott cosmology is a masterpiece of symmetry without being
dictatorial about it: it predicts, for instance, that there should be
traces of contamination of our universe by antimatter (as has been
verified by observation) and by tachyons (as has not). Whatever
likelihood we might care to assign to its validity, in this combination
of symmetry and imperfection the Gott model is redolent of nature’s
style.
Now are you sure that you can not communicate with another you in the antimatter universe?
Now what if this is proved. It may prove that God (she) has put you
all over the place, and in many different places for one reason, you
may have the means to destroy yourself with science of the future.
She(God) has wiped your butt all over the place already, now who won besides (God)?
We all win, maybe, this way.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 10:11 AM
God may be angry as John proposes, but still, I think it is just
humans that are doing the dirty deed, and humans are the ones that are
angry. This has nothing to do with God, so if this happens, blame the
humans, not God.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 10:19 AM
This theory leaves at least two Johns running around, and maybe a
lot of johns running around.(Alright, it a joke, johns. You are all the
other johns running around.)
Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-20-2001 10:20 AM
Rick,
Good observation on the device. I’ve been looking through surplus gear sites on the web to find a similar device for sale.
The two yellow caution tapes on the device are misaligned. Sloppy workmanship.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 12:02 PM
Albert: Yes, I think Rick ought to film this, but John has already said that this may not do any good.
I am not sure I understood your piece there Albert. Are you saying that
because someone else films/video tapes the departure, we might not see
it on tape?
I’m not sure what that has to do with antimatter. If John were an
anti-matter John, he could not have come here in the first place. One
doesn’t have to meet ones-self to destroy oneself when made of
antimatter. One mere must contact ANY matter. Matter and antimatter
will obliterate one another no matter what form it is in when it
contacts.
Darby: The two yellow caution tapes on the device are misaligned. Sloppy workmanship.
Which is pretty much normal for government equipment. Doesn’t prove
anything though. I have equipment that is government gear that has
similar lables. None of them are aligned.
As far as a “good call” well, I’m not sure about that, I was just
stating what I know to be facts from personal experience. I know, for
instance that the yellow geiger counters were standard gear for fallout
shelters for military personnel in certain places. I also know that
almost NO ONE knew anything about them, how to operate, read or change
the batteries in them. I don’t even remember the type of batteries they
took but if I remember right, they were C cells (but they might have
been 6v lantern batteries too – I simply can not recall that part). I
will never forget using them though. The government cost back then was
around 900-1200 bucks. Something similar today will run you 750 or 800
commercially, but they aren’t as sturdy as the good old yellow ones
were.
I’ve been doing some careful examination of the pictures. They
simply aren’t high enough quality to be able to get details though.
<shrugs>
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 02:05 PM
I am just saying that John is the one that said that it may prove
nothing further, that the pictures will not help anyone believe him to
be a TT or not, if they do not already believe.
I would like to see the pictures, though.
Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 02:30 PM
Albert;
I see your point. But… it will prove it to ME. That’s what *I*
care about. Call me selfish if you like, but I could care less if
anyone else believes or not. I don’t care if you do, or Javier believes
or disbelieves.
I am trying to show 1) Either fraud or 2) John is a time traveler.
If someone goes and actually is present as a witness besides his
own family or personal friends, it won’t matter then because they can
not fake the photography, nor pull “magic tricks” – smoke and mirrors,
whatever you want to call it.
I consider myself qualified as an observer for several reasons.
First and foremost, I’m extremely interested in the outcome of this exercise.
Secondly, I’m a skeptic. For a skeptic to see something with their
own eyes, is PROOF POSITIVE to a skeptic. Whether or not YOU believe
the skeptic is up to you. If you went I might believe you. If Javier
goes, I would definately believe him. Personally, I do not trust Javier
to go without doing something to disrupt things. He has made it very
clear he has a problem – moral or otherwise, with time travelers.
Thirdly, I’m a “trained observer”. My jobs over the years, from
engineer, to teacher, to computer ‘guru’ to storm chaser more than
qualifies me to do the job of objectively observing an experiment and
giving a truthful and objective report on the subject, no matter what
the subject entails.
Fourthly, I’ve heard no one else offer their services, their own
hard earned cash or their time to do this. I have. I certainly haven’t
seen Art Bell come in the forum and post his thoughts. If he had, and
offered to be there, and perhaps do a live report, that would have been
the best thing. I don’t think he will – for several reasons. But most
importantly, it could be dangerous!
Fifthly – Danger… been there, done that. I’m afraid of heights and
don’t climb if I dont have to. I do have antenna towers in the back and
climb them. I have to. I hate and am afraid of flying. I’ve been to 42
countries. I didn’t get there on a slow boat. I’ve been shot at many
times in Central America, and also in the middle east. Nancy Reagan and
Richard Nixon have chewed my ass. I’m not afraid of anything else
(except spiders). I do not have to fly (cept to get there), I don’t
have to climb (cept perhaps to get a good video shot), I don’t have to
deal with spiders, Nancy Reagan or Richard Nixon. I DO have to get
truthful video, good pictures and even perhaps an interview if John
would consent to doing so. This I CAN DO.
Sixthly – I consider myself a decent writer. You will get a very good report.
Now… Whether you chose to believe the data that I will bring you,
is up to you – and each person will have to decide. Without knowing me
personally, none of you can be sure I’m not a government agent, I’m not
a Russian Spy or I’m not in cahoots with John.
Since I’m not any of these things, and I don’t have much else I can
show you right now to prove this, you’ll have to take my word. For now.
However, anyone that wants to know more about me is welcome to read up
on my writing, my bio and a lot of other stuff on my web site. You can
- as several people have pointed out, get a good idea of a person’s
background from their writing. It might take you some time, but, the
data is there. I’m not extremely private, and anyone that wants to find
me, can. My “secrets” are things that I’ve done for the government and
no one will get that information from me under ANY circumstances, but
the rest of my life is pretty much an open book.
Now… do you want to trust your intutition completely, your eyes and ears, me, John or this forum? You decide.
Rick
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-20-2001 at 02:34 PM]
Posted by Pamela Moore on 03-20-2001 04:21 PM
Dear “FREE”,
Thankyou for the “jet” link. I read all of it.
yes, that was very interesting.
wasn’t sure if I could use your email address to respond back to you.
but I wanted to let you know I did read it all.
and I will keep what you said in mind.Thankyou for being concerned.
sincerely,
pamela
Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-20-2001 08:22 PM
The Stoneage you said huh? Nah, I was thinking more along the lines
of Medieval Times. I always liked playing with Swords and fighting when
I was a kid.
My big brother would be the Ninja (a real ninja) and beat me up all the time. Ahh the good ole’ days
.-Javier C.
P.S. Mel and James. Excuse me for having a little fun here for a change. When do I ever? And when I do, I get hassled about it.
You don’t know me, you don’t know what I am capable of. I have
abilities and control that alot of people my age lack. Maybe once you
learn to not accept life for it’s flaws, and stand up for what’s right,
you’ll make something of your self.
And see that I was right all along
.[Edited by Javier Cortez on 03-20-2001 at 08:35 PM]
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 10:53 PM
Here’s what I think of John at this point.
It really does not matter if he is a TT or not, well, it might.
John thought about some things going on and with technology and he
decided that he had something to say about the future as he saw it. He
came up with a story to get people interested with what he was
thinking. That was: time travel may be possible in the future, if it
is, and other countries found out, this may not be good. He presented
it as a story to strongly interest people about what they thought about
the future, if time travel becomes a reality.
He may have a three year old and wonder what kind of world he will grow up in.
I must admit that I was not really thinking in those terms, so to
me it was a wake up call. You get going with school, life, and hear
news but it nevers just clicks with you.
The What If?
I tend to look at the world through rose colored glasses sometimes, and that becomes too relaxed.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-20-2001 11:38 PM
Here’s something I found out this year. During the Cold War or maybe
about in the ’70′s, the Russians were working on a new type of jet
engine. This engine that uses, if I remember right because its not at
the newscientist website anymore, ionized gases to control the engine.
This means that it needs no wings, no airelons, or controls. Just by
changing the ionized gas flowing around the engine, this engine is
unique. Now NASA been informed of it, and is working with it, and
Russia can build a plane, not mach speed, but for transport that uses
this type of engine. It called something like “Plasma” engine. If you
like to consider the fact that this engine may be a prototype UFO, I
guess it may also be something of a forerunner that could eventually be
used to some effect as a UFO moves. Consider that. Russians are not
dumb. At the BBC Talking Point, they had the question, just a few weeks
ago “Is Russia a Superpower?” Now responses came from around the world,
including Russians. One said that they have some bright theoretical
physics students, and they have pride in their country. The answer to
me is simple: Do they have nuclear weapons? Yes. They are still a
Superpower.
Posted by Mel Reckling on 03-21-2001 08:03 AM
The problem with being 21 is that noone ever takes you seriously. We
all know that. You should be enjoying yourself right now. You are far
too serious, intense and vindictive. You have been raggin’ on this guy
through this whole thread. I certainly don’t know if John is for real.
The one thing I do know is that this has been a great topic and that
you need to lighten up and stop trying to save us all with your “Time
Cop” role.
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-21-2001 11:45 AM
Here’s another thing, well, maybe not that important.
Harpoon IV is coming out about the end of this year or so.
The Navy people play this game. I have Harpoon II and you can
download it free, I think still, at website Home of the Underdogs, I
think but not sure, its underdogs.com. Well, written by Larry Bond, a
Naval Officer of many years, it is about Naval Warfare. The database is
well worth looking at, to view for the most part, the Navies of
different nations, and type of weapons. Its the closes to having about
the best unclassified weapons of war of the modern age. The new one
being programmed by someone else will be more of a 3-D type Harpoon.
Russians weapons are usually twice the size of US weapons and if you
get hit by one, that’s about it. The US weapons usually take 2 or 3 to
sink one of their submarines or ships. In any case, Russians have more
subs than anything else right now, besides land warfare. The new
Harpoon IV will have landings of Marines on shore. I learned a great
deal about weapon systems on this planet from that computer game.
Just a thought.
That Russian engine is still a kind of jet engine. The only way it
might fly, (and I am just imagining), around is put it so it swivels.
Just dreaming at this point. Still more like a regular airplane.
Ionized gases instead of whatever jet engines use, (air?).
Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-21-2001 12:25 PM
I’ll get off.
Here’s a for instance:
Russian weapons — == 200 mile blast area. Russia never built a “small” weapon in their life. The US does.
2000 miles by 3000 miles — size of the US about.
It would take 150 Russian missiles and there would be no US.
And they do not have to be accurate.
So Russia would have to change their entire philosophy.
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