Postagens Originais do John Titor (Parte 25)

Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-21-2001 01:24 PM

Albert:I’ll get off.
Here’s a for instance:
Russian weapons — == 200 mile blast area. Russia never built a “small” weapon in their life. The US does.
2000 miles by 3000 miles — size of the US about.
It would take 150 Russian missiles and there would be no US.
And they do not have to be accurate.
So Russia would have to change their entire philosophy.
Albert… what are you talking about? A “small weapon”? A “large
weapon”? There is no such thing as a “200 mile blast range”. The
fireball from the largest ever known thermonuclear weapon was less than
5 miles in diameter. The Russians are purported to have built a 350
megaton bomb at one point, of course, we do not know this for sure and
it is rumor.

Your numbers are way out of scale. I suggest you spend some time
doing some research on the subject before you quote numbers. I’ll tell
you where to start…

http://www.janes.com/
http://www.milnet.com/milnet/nukeweap/nfaq0.htm
http://sun00781.dn.net/nuke/hew/
http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/rusnukes.html
http://www.enviroweb.org/issues/nuketesting/nukeffct/
http://www.dnfsb.gov/
This should get you started. You will not find anywhere in any of
the data where there are 200 mile radii damage zones. Even with the
worst thing the Russians can throw at the United States there might be
a 7-10 mile damage radius around the blast zone.

In my reserch, 20 Megatons seems to be the absolute maximum any one
weapon will do. Yeah, they are bad, they are radioactive and they are
gonna do some serious, serious damage to the land and perhaps even the
planet. However, 200 bombs will not “obliterate” the United States.

However – as I JUST finished writing last night in an article, if
you’re planning on giving up now, before such a war or survival
situation comes up, please – feel free to ship me your food, and
weapons. I CERTAINLY will put them to good use.

Rick

Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-21-2001 01:32 PM
Pictures of the time machine and the manual for those who have NOT yet seen them, are located at:
http://www.anomalies.net
http://survival.anomalies.net
Exact URLs are as follows:
http://www.anomalies.net/time_traveler/
http://survival.anomalies.net/time_travel.htm
I understand there are some more, that I’ve missed and they are supposed to be sent to me shortly.
Rick

Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-21-2001 08:00 PM
Poor misguided Mel. You speak as if you almost knew better. Yet
still you know nothing about my life, and insist that I am what you
claim to be. Well I hate bragging about my self, but I see that it’s
necessary. Or else you’ll continue to know nothing about me, and
continue ****ing me off. So here I go…

Are you a 2nd Degree black belt in Karate? (Everyone in my family
knows how to defend themselves, tradition since I am a quarter Chinese,
my blood demands it). Were you a League Champ in High School Wrestling?
How about going through Army Basic Training? I know tough, if anything
I am far from weak and like an average 21 year old.

I am incredibly disciplined. I don’t wait another day to speak my mind and take action on things that are wrong.
Growing up in So.Cal I’ve seen death, I’ve seen terror, and I’ve
seen people taken advantage of. Maybe it’s different where you were
brought up, but these kinds of things I I want to do something about
them. So pardon, for taking a stand and wanting to do something about
the wrong things in life. You don’t see many young people doing that,
and I believe it should be encouraged, not condemned.

Thank you very much;
those were my 2 cents,
-Javier C.

Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-21-2001 11:04 PM
Rick,
If you have contact with Boomer please attempt to verify the
elapsed time (on his internal chronometer) for his trip from 2036 to
1975. I need that data for a calculation.

Two problems still unresolved:
Problem #1
Early on Boomer posted that the radius of effect of the time
distortion field is 12 to 15 feet (Schwarzschild Radius of 4 to 5
meters). He also said that the mass of the singularities is that of a
“small mountain”. I suggested 3*10^18/kg (1/2,000,000th the mass of the
Earth)and he did not dispute it (though it may be smaller)…

anyone see where I’m going with this?
Problem #2
There’s another problem with his diagrams on your site:
Page #5 (C204 Tipler Sinusoid…) Item #1 shows the twin singularities in line with the x-ray venting zone.
The schematic following the photos also shows the singularities in
line – and in line with the driver’s seat. It seems that the x-rays are
vented directly at the driver.

I’ll post the answer to problem #1 later. Just giving everyone else a chance to do the math.
Hint: R=2GM/c^2 (I posted this formula with little comment for Boomer last week. He didn’t pick up on its significance.)
[Edited by Emmett "Darby" Darbyshire on 03-21-2001 at 11:16 PM]

Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-22-2001 12:06 AM
Rick,
I do hope that you get a chance to see Boomer off. But a video won’t
help prove the veracity of Boomer’s story. If what he says is true
you’ll only have a video fogged by x-ray emmissions (and maybe some
leukemia for yourself). If its unfogged then everything given to you to
post on your site about the device is false and misleading.

The last time I checked the physics I didn’t see an “on-off” switch for
a black hole or any other singularity. Whether his machine is on or off
the singularities continue to generate an event horizon. The
singularities are contained in the black box. I have a very good idea
of what the Schwarzchild Radius of the alleged micro-singularities
should be. The black box lies within the event horizon. How does one
photograph an object inside the event horizon from the exterior of the
event horizon (in this case the driver’s window of a Chevy pick-up)?

If there is an x-ray problem associated with his machine how is it
that his photos aren’t fogged? And, though he’s never said that he
hasn’t let anyone else come close to the machine, who took the picture
of his two hands in one of the photos?


Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-22-2001 12:47 AM
In my opinion, I don’t believe John, A.k.a “Boomer” expected people
to not believe him this close to his leave date of April 10th (his
window of opportunity). I’m sure he wanted everyone to believe his
story. But in-light to what Darby has shown us, and John’s
unwillingness to rebuttal. We must now see that he has forfeited his
opportunity to prove us wrong (your silence only incriminates you and
confirms that you are a fraud). Cause he him self is wrong. Somehow, I
think Darby was an unexpected variable. I’m glad you were apart of this
discussion; I take my hat off to you Darby , great job.

Just something to think about… I know that some of John’s loyal
subjects will continue to think he was for real. But I have never, nor
have I ever wished that he were a real Time Traveler. The rest of you,
shame-shame. Always answering questions for him, defending him, giving
him a way out, never really letting him do it all on his own. Always
sounded like Heaven’s Gate to me.

Until then, I think John has sung his last song. Either that, or
he’s cramming as much math, physics and logic to assist him in
answering the last questions. Last chance to make people believers aye
John?

I expect a good answer John, if you do decide to answer .
If not, that was pretty rude of you to leave without saying good-bye.
Or what kind of idiots do you take us for making an excuse like that .

-Javier C.

Posted by Emmett “Darby” Darbyshire on 03-22-2001 01:29 AM
Javier,
What surprises me about the believers is that they apparently never
really looked closely at what Boomer was telling them. Now, I don’t
think he’s a bad guy – I’ve enjoyed the time (there’s that word again)
we’ve spent together bantering this subject – but…

Here’s who Boomer says he is (from the totality of his posts but more specifically his early posts):
A civil war begins in the U.S. when he’s six years old (2004). By
2012, at age 14, he’s a member of a Florida vanguard revolutionary
brigade fighting the “enemy state”. He and his military assist the
former Soviet Union (Russia) with their invasion of the United States.
He said, “The enemy attacked by Russia was the forces of the government
you are under now.” He said that the conflict “will consume everyone in
the U.S. by 2012”. This will be followed by a short WWIII in 2015.

Surely some of the gentle readers have children. Lola has two
teenagers. Who else has children, spouses, loved ones who will be of
military service age between 2004 and 2012? Boomer admits to making war
on the United States and giving aid and comfort to the invading enemy
forces. Sounds like treason from our perspective. Sounds like murder if
its your children that he kills in the conflict. As Rick Donaldson
would say, we are the government – we the people. Boomer says that we
are the enemy.

So – for the supporters: do you really hope that he’s what he says that he is? Is this what you want for your children?

Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-22-2001 01:33 AM
Rick, I check it out later.
To me, after seeing movies of H-bombs, early pictures, I was under
the impression that a shock-wave is what goes that far or so. Pictures
I seen of old ’50′s type mushroom clouds had trees down and everything
flated by the shockwave of the blast. That’s what I’m going by.

I look it up later, I have to catch up on things I have to get done.
I been just thinking, like Emmett perhaps, doesn’t anyone see anything wrong with building, how can I put it?
I think John said essentially, although I may have to review:
An electron fed, spin controlled, (for the ergospheres), rotating microsingularity.
At one point, because I was reading some posts of John, he said
that controlling the spin of (what I thought)the microsingularity was
what kept the ergospheres in line. Controlling both ‘spins’ of the
microsingularities.

How would you ever control the spin of a subatomic particle?
All we do is blast them in the accelerators to photograph the
tracks made, because you can not even see the particles, only the
tracks that were left by the particles.

I have seen pictures, and if it were not for the track’s
photograph, there would be no picture of the particle. The particle had
already decayed, or something, that only left the tracks to be
photographed. That’s all anyone can get from blasting particles near
the speed of light. They were black and white photographs that only
showed the tracks of the particle. Someday, I have to look up those
photographs, maybe they have them at a particle accelerator website.

No, I was not on the Internet then, this was way back when I was
in my local astronomy club. Over 11 years ago. I remember those photos.
I think it was Wayne the founder of the club who brought us those
photographs. Just a sorta long white-looking track where the particle
had gone after smashing. Yes, if you saw them, …… spiraling off
after impact.


Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-22-2001 01:45 AM
Here’s John’s post (part of it, don’t ask me what page):
The singularities do not create Tipler cylinders they create the
same physical environment without all the mass. The same math works for
both. There are two singularities. Their mass and spin is altered in
order to adjust the size of the ergosphere and cause the event horizons
to interact and create the gravity sinusoid. I have a basic home
schooling education (k-12) and a bachelor’s degree in history.

I would like to know when humans can control the mass and spin of a singularity?

Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-22-2001 07:30 AM
Javier – You kill me. Haha. Basic training? You’re 21 years old and
have been through basic? But you’re not in the military? What happened
there? Typically, there is a minimum of three years of service required
after basic training. Get kicked out for your attitude?
<chuckles>

Darby: Problem #1
Early on Boomer posted that the radius of effect of the time
distortion field is 12 to 15 feet (Schwarzschild Radius of 4

to 5 meters). He also said that the mass of the singularities is
that of a “small mountain”. I suggested 3*10^18/kg

(1/2,000,000th the mass of the Earth)and he did not dispute it (though it may be smaller)…
anyone see where I’m going with this?
I see where you’re going – weight of the machine among other
things. Also – I do not believe that this is the schwarzschild radius
that he is talking about. That radius is the “blue event horizon” -
and… I hate to say this, but nothing within that radius would be seen
again. So… this is more like the theory behind tipler cylinders (read
up on that, I’m not gonna explain it here). Basically though, you do
NOT enter into the radius when traveling along a tipler cylinder.

Problem #2
There’s another problem with his diagrams on your site:
Page #5 (C204 Tipler Sinusoid…) Item #1 shows the twin singularities in line with the x-ray venting zone.
The schematic following the photos also shows the singularities in
line – and in line with the driver’s seat. It seems that

the x-rays are vented directly at the driver.
Where’s the problem? Hehehe. But, you have to note, that the
diagram is NOT TO SCALE. Also, remember that no matter what government
document you’re talking about, if it is a manual, it is GOING TO
CONTAIN INACCURACIES. The government uses “lowest bid” – remember?

About the “fogging of the film”… well, yes true, if it is film.
Video tape is magnetic. X-rays will not affect magnetic tape in this
manner – that is by fogging the video. There might be some “magenetic
domains” knocked out of place by x-radiation, however, the result would
be these little sparkles you see on the TV when you do not have a very
good (strong) signal coming in. We call it “snow”. I’m sure folks have
seen this before.

I haven’t really done any calculations on the distance of the event
horizon from the actual “surface” of a black hole – but, I know what
I’ve read states that the event horizon is actually very close to the
“surface” (if indeed it could be called a surface). Point being, we’re
talking about a ‘microsingularity’. I have my doubts as to whether it
can exist inthe first place, but a physcist friend tells me that it is
possible for such a thing and indeed, there have been discussions of
doing JUST that with a linear accelerator. The problem was that they
just weren’t sure if it would decay quickly or become something that
might envelop the earth. There was no discussion of the “weight” of
such a thing, because it is man made, and would not be a true
singularity.

I won’t dispute any calculations you have made regarding the
Schwarzchild Radius of the microsingularity, but I will say, I believe
it to be on the order of microns rather than inches or feet. Remember,
we’re talking about something the size of an electron.

By the way, *I* can tell electrons which way to spin and I’m not a
“full fledged physcist”. So I suppose it wouldn’t be that big of a
stretch to force a black hole to spin this way or that.

Albert: I probably misunderstood your post. Yes, the blast radius
is pretty big, but it isn’t 200 miles in any case. Remember a blast
wave is basically a supersonic sound wave and it will dissapate over
distance. That dissapation is based on several factors, like density of
the air, temperature, how close to the ground, etc etc. I’m sure I left
something out. In any case, a blast wave will be very strong very close
to ground zero (the point of the ground above which the bomb is
detonated). As the wave travels outward, and the distance increases,
the overpressure drops quickly. I believe it is an inverse of the
distance traveled. That basically means – as an example (and I’m not
sure this is completely accurate, but those links I gave will tell you
for sure) as the distance doubles the overpressure will be reduced by a
factor of four. (It’s too early for me to do math, and I was called
into work last night, so I’m doubly tired now).

Damage from a nuclear bomb would be devastating, but only in the
target area. That means… perhaps at distances of up to 10 miles away
there would be damage, increasingly worse as you get closer and closer
to ground Zero. But – as you get further and further away the damage is
reduced. Basically.. I have a ranch style house – I’m seven miles from
Cheynne mountain. If they hit it with a 20 megaton bomb, my house goes
bye bye. My basement, however, will remain intact. It is below ground
level and unless the fire ball touches the region below ground, then
below ground is safe, that’s been my point all along. Hence,
survivablity of nuclear attacks.

Your black and white photos of tracks of particle trails was
accomplished actually, very easily. I’ve performed those precise
experiments without the aid of an accelerator myself. The tracks
actually are drawn in a cloud of vapor – usually CO2 vapor. In fact
when I did it, I used radium from a old wrist watch, and dry ice for
the vapor. The trails were CLEARLY visible with the naked eye. When
examined under a magnifying glass (I used a microscope) I could seen
the decay as a long trail that fell into a “death spiral” as I called
it. When the particles decayed completely, the spiral ended. Of course
this occured VERY fast, and essentially, I saw only the result of the
decay, which was the track in the fog.

I did these experiments when I was 15 years old or so, in my
basement lab. I had a fully stocked chemistry/physics lab when I was a
kid.
That stopped the day I ****ed near killed everyone in the house with
clorine gas… duh… Anyway, I decided that chemistry wasn’t my bag,
and went instead into electronics and physics after that.


Posted by Mel Reckling on 03-22-2001 08:30 AM
It is obvious that you think too much of yourself. Am I supposed to
be scared? What I am saying is that you are wasting too much of your
young life getting worked up over a post like this. You will be old
soon enough and you’ll wish you did things differently.

You have mentioned that you are very mature for your age. Who are you
trying to convince, yourself? The overreactions are not a sign of
maturity. You also seem to have a propensity to want to smash things
like this time machine. Is that a sign of maturity?

The answer to all those pointless things you mentioned is, no.
Please channel your energy into things that will further your career.
Someday you’ll thank me for this.

[Edited by Mel Reckling on 03-22-2001 at 08:33 AM]

Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-22-2001 09:35 AM
I need to post something here… I have nothing to do with any
possible military involvement in this forum. I want folks to understand
that I am simply interested in this for the sake of science fiction,
science fact and a very strong curiosity about time travel.

John can not be reached right now. And certain other individuals
appear to have been contacted. I can’t say more, but… if anyone is
contacted by “military personnel” make sure you get names, ranks and
any other information you can from them. Give it to me. I DO have the
means to verify their existence. Now… I just put MY ass on the line
here, so if someone DOES contact you.. I wanna know right away, but if
you don’t have a name, rank, base of operations, serial number or
anything else, then they are probably not real.

Listen… if someone contacts you in email and says they are “investigating this or that” and claim to be military – ask them:
1) What branch of service?
2) What organization are you in?
3) What is your military rank and pay grade?
4) Are you a law enforcement officer?
5) Why are you contacting ME?
If you get these silly-assed answers about “National Security” or whatever – then ask them:
“What is YOUR need to know?” and end the conversation. You have
Constitutional rights, even where National Security is involved. So,
remember that. And unless and until they contact you IN PERSON and SHOW
A BADGE, ID CARD or other authorizing documentation (like, let’s say a
WARRANT) then they can’t even be bothering you if you do not invite
them to do so.

Rick

Posted by Lola Montez on 03-22-2001 11:07 AM
Darby,
This stuff is for fun, remember? Traitors? Good Grief!(good grief
is probably a good example of those linguistic time frame give aways)

Lola
[Edited by Lola Montez on 03-22-2001 at 11:18 AM]

Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-22-2001 11:26 AM
Mel,
Some things are worth fighting for. And as you can see, others are
following in. You took my wanting to smash his machine to serious.
After all, it was in a joke you probably took as serious as well. And
worked your self up to frenzy about it, and into a debate against me,
about something you found immature in a joke . Now who’s overreacting…?

I don’t think that highly of my self, how you think I probably do. I
merely mentioned that (for the first time here) of what I know and can
do and feel in my heart, to show you that I am mature. Not that you
care, not that I care, it’s just that you were ****ing me off making
unfair assumptions, while not even knowing me. And still are.

I have nothing to prove to anyone, I can careless. Just don’t attack my character, because that’s personal.
Btw way, how old are you? Are you speaking about maybe your life?
Why do you have many regrets? I find it that sometimes people your age
speak from experience… Well let me tell you something, not all 21 year
olds end up with a screwed up life. I am just happened to want to do
something about the world’s condition. But I guess those ideals died in
you along time ago, and now accept the life you have everyday for what
it is. Man, that’s sad. Maybe instead of condemning us young “whimper
snappers,” you should listen to us. Our will to fight is strong (some
of us) might wake you up and feel the need to do something.

Sincerely,
Javier C.
P.S. Yeah Rick, shortly after BCT, I got medically discharged. It’s a personal matter though, and I don’t wish to talk about it thanks.

Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-22-2001 11:29 AM
Oh come on Lola, it’s it for fun, then tell me how many times have I been attacked by you, and told that I am hostile?
Please.
-J.C.

Posted by Lee Heggy on 03-22-2001 11:47 AM
Mel, I’ve been following this thread and it’s comicbook format for
some time now. I don’t think it matters if this Titor guy is from the
future or from Jersey. It was fun listening to his rap. The other guy
Xavier?….well.

“Poor misguided Mel. You speak as if you almost knew better. Yet
still you know nothing about my life, and insist that I am what you
claim to be. Well I hate bragging about my self, but I see that it’s
necessary. Or else you’ll continue to know nothing about me, and
continue ****ing me off. So here I go…”

Ok, that was a classic ‘Ming the Merciless’ opener. Guess we’ll have to set our blasters on stun. Here comes the pedigree.
“Are you a 2nd Degree black belt in Karate?”
No and if I was I would know that it is considered very poor behavior to tout one’s supposed skill in martial arts.
“(Everyone in my family knows how to defend themselves, tradition since I am a quarter Chinese, my blood demands it).”
The parenthesis is to inform us of qualifying information…as if
he were saying it under his breath while delivering the Vulcan Death
Grip.

“Were you a League Champ in High School Wrestling?”
This is to let you know that in the tradition of the WWF…”Talk’s
cheap Bozo! Let’s get it on!”…and we wonder why kids in southern
California are shooting…

“How about going through Army Basic Training?”
No thanks, already went through Marine training myself back when it
WAS hard and the little pieces of army guys get caught between my
teeth.

“I know tough, if anything I am far from weak and like an average 21 year old.”
The average 21 year old is a limp sack of s**t who worships at a
mall and is more concerned with the tenderness of his feelings than the
toughness of his resolve.

“I am incredibly disciplined.”
This guy should get together with Helen Reddy and roar.
“I don’t wait another day to speak my mind and take action on things that are wrong.”
Sounds like he’s running for office here.
“Growing up in So.Cal I’ve seen death, I’ve seen terror, and I’ve seen people taken advantage of.”
James Taylor couldn’t say it any better…gimme’ my guitar and lemme’ put on that workshirt and wide belt….
“Maybe it’s different where you were brought up, but these kinds of things I I want to do something about them.”
Using two ‘I’s like that gives me a suspicion that this may be a Rastafarian masquerading as a Pastafarian..
“So pardon, for taking a stand and wanting to do something about the wrong things in life.”
Well, at least he apologizes but I wish he would bring back that stand. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
“You don’t see many young people doing that, and I believe it should be encouraged, not condemned.”
Bring up super of American flag come in for close up as tear rolls down cheek raise music and fade to credits…..
“Thank you very much; those were my 2 cents,”
Final shot thanking the armed forces for their help and cooperation
and the people of China for their one quarter donation of genetic
material….go to black. End.

[Edited by Lee Heggy on 03-22-2001 at 11:50 AM]

Posted by Phil Fiord on 03-22-2001 12:14 PM Arrow
Hi, I commend your passion for what you yourself believe. I wish to
point out that every other person in the world also has their own
beliefs. It is when a person appears to, or even tries to foist their
own beliefs on others that the problems arise. Not everyone here
believes that TT is an immoral or evil technology. You know this, but
my point is that you appear to be going about distributing your beleif
in a counter-productive way.

Your current method of discussion seems clouded by your passionate
dislike for the technology and frankly, it is hard to take you serious
because of that. At your web site you describe your beliefs. It was an
interesting read, but it is also not in the same form of presentation
as you are giving here. I would actually like to know more about your
view, but you seem to view people who are older than you in a
distrustful if not aggravated way. Although I believe differently than
you about the application of TT technology, I would sincerely be
interested in understanding your belief when presented in a less
inflamed fashion.

For the sake of discussion, suppose John really is a TT. What are
you specifically trying to accomplish in this dialogue? If you feel
others are wrong, ok, but say why others are wrong without attacking. I
mean, if you want someone to understand your viewpoint, calling them
sheep is a bad way to start.

Phil

Posted by Albert Cattoir on 03-22-2001 12:16 PM Wink
I do not think that Russia attacks the US with people, just missiles.
Anyway, I have no information about much of this topic.
It would not do anybody any good to ask me any question.
I just tried to bring up points for discussion and maybe some ‘bad’ jokes.
Rick, look at it this way,:
If you have enough advance warning like John said,
how long would it take you to drive to Omaha (maybe an airplane)(about 611 miles)?
You can ball me out in person, if this story is true.
Bring some water, and a distillation unit for it, and how fast can you really drive, if enough advanced warning.
You can tell me all day, ‘See, I told you so!’ or something.
In fact, it true, how long would it take anyone to get to Omaha, I
drove straight through to Florida, 1200 miles, only took 24 hours, on a
lazy driving trip.

We can all sit down and have a cup of coffee of something.
Or I’ll be on my way surely, if all this is happening.

Posted by Rick Donaldson on 03-22-2001 12:20 PM
Ok,
I think Lee tapped the nail on the head… once, then drove it home. LOL.
Sorry, but that was funny as all get-out. But, I don’t think it is
necessary for any of us to be attacking anyone. Once the forum
degenerates for those who are (perhaps) trying to cause it to
degenerate, no longer will communication work.

In other words, as much fun as Javier, Lee, myself and others are
having with the barbs and insults… they are very counter-productive.

I personally apologize to Javier for my comment about his military
discharge. That wasn’t any of my business and I really shouldn’t have
taken it to that level. I’m sorry Javier. Your discharge is not the
subject of discussion here (even though you DID throw it out to be
picked on like you did, I shouldn’t have picked on it).

Now – I’m not saying that we shouldn’t debate. In fact, I think a
good argument is very good, however, we should stick as closely to the
facts as we see them, and try to explain to each other WHY we take the
tack we take on talking the way we are. I’ve tried in past posts to do
so.

Now – another subject. My post a few back that is entitled “Military
Involvment”… please do not read anything into that. I’ve received
several quite interesting messages today trying to dechiper what I
said.

PLEASE – There is NOTHING to dechiper. What I intended was a sort
of “panic reduction” message. Sometimes in these forums (and this is
not the first, nor will it be the last) people get the feeling they are
being stalked by the government, or some Men in Black or something. I
can’t say that doesn’t happen, but I can tell you from PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE that if someone suspects you of some national security
violation, they are NOT going to contact you via email.

They ARE going to find out what you’re about, and might even
contact you in person, but they will be legitimate law enforcement
officers, not men in black, not guys in green or any other
Three-Letter-Agency EXCEPT the FBI.

See the FBI is the US Law Enforcement agency that has jurisdiction
over national security matters within the United States and its
territories. NSA ain’t coming out, CIA won’t bother with you, and if
there are Men in Black, I bet you dimes to Martian quarters they aren’t
Americans (or Earthlings). http://www.artbell.com/img/marsmoney.jpg

So chances are, if some dufus from the Pentagon is contacting you via
email, he is definately a dufus, isn’t authorized, and certainly isn’t
from the Pentagon (or any other such place, Area 51, UFO Island or
anywhere else). If the guy comes to your door with a badge book and
says “FBI”… ask him if he has a warrant and then send him on his way
if he doesn’t.

Otherwise… don’t get too wrapped up in being paranoid.
That’s MY job.
Rick
[Edited by Rick Donaldson on 03-22-2001 at 01:38 PM]

Posted by David R Ferguson on 03-22-2001 12:27 PM Smile
Just when things started getting REALLY interesting….

Posted by Lee Heggy on 03-22-2001 12:28 PM
I’m really, really sorry if my little cut-up has hurt ANYONE’S
feelings or bruised the ever so delicate sensitivities of others who
post here. I’m especially sorry if I’ve hacked off the Chinese. I just
thought Mel was getting short shrift and…well…dang it all..Mel,
dude…I LOVE YOU MAN! There, I’m glad I got that off my chest. Now I’m
gonna look at those fuzzy pictures of John’s time traveling golf cart
and see if I can make heads or tails out of any of it.


Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-22-2001 12:28 PM
Lee Heggy,
Thank you very much for scrutinizing everything I said in a Howard
Stern manner. But you missed my point. You asked no real questions, had
no real dialogue. Just commented and ran off saying vicinities. Just
like Mel.

I take it you speak like this often.
((and we wonder why kids in southern California are shooting…))
Maybe because of people like you.

Posted by Lee Heggy on 03-22-2001 12:38 PM
I think I got your point quite well and if not then you just made it
for me with your nasty little tag at the end of your squawk. Sorry if I
stepped on your tail.


Posted by Javier Cortez on 03-22-2001 12:41 PM
Where you been Phil?
(( but my point is that you appear to be going about distributing your beleif in a counter-productive way. ))
What would be a productive way for you?
((Your current method of discussion seems clouded by your passionate
dislike for the technology and frankly, it is hard to take you serious
because of that.))

If you knew illegal drugs were bad and could kill your kids if they tried that, wouldn’t you tell them, and hate illegal drugs?
((….. you seem to view people who are older than you in a distrustful if not aggravated way.))
When? All I did was answer Mel’s questions, and I didn’t even say every old person. I said him in particular.
(( I would sincerely be interested in understanding your belief when presented in a less inflamed fashion.))
Again, how should I present it?
((… you feel others are wrong, ok, but say why others are wrong
without attacking. I mean, if you want someone to understand your
viewpoint, calling them sheep is a bad way to start.))

First off, haven’t I been telling people how it’s wrong? Second of
all, sheep was a comment to those people that bowed to John like if he
can’t be wrong. To people who wouldn’t listen to any other side but
John’s.

I hope this clarifies things.

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